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Tesko da Mečka može prestic cak tri momcadi do sljedece sezone a da ne velim da za RBR-om u prosijeku kasne najmanje sekundu i pol po krugu! S obzirom da nema nekih prevelikih promijena u pravilima za 2012-tu pretpostavljam da ce omjeri snaga biti podjednaki!
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deda je napisao/la:Tesko da Mečka može prestic cak tri momcadi do sljedece sezone a da ne velim da za RBR-om u prosijeku kasne najmanje sekundu i pol po krugu! S obzirom da nema nekih prevelikih promijena u pravilima za 2012-tu pretpostavljam da ce omjeri snaga biti podjednaki!
Za RBR su promjene pravila ogromne s obzirom da će off throtle blowing biti zabranjeno. Čitav bolid im se bazira oko tog ispuha. Prvo što daje downforce na zadnjem kraju, a osim toga tzv. "cold blowing" poboljšava hlađenje motora pa im trebaju manji radijatori naprijed i samim tim imaju još efikasniju aerodinamiku. Za njih će promjene biti ogromne. Merc i Ferrari će od top momčadi biti najmanje pogođene, jer su najmanje uspjeli iskoristiti ispuh za aerodinamiku.
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Ne mora značiti da će omjer snaga biti isti.
Naravno da je veliki zaostatak, ali baš zbog činjenice da se svake sezone nešto u pravilima mijenja šansa je da se napravi nešto "novo" nešto što će donjeti prednsot određenoj ekipi.
U Mercedesu će iza sebe imati 2 sezone podataka o bolidu i ponašanju istoga. Pojačavaju tehnički kadar, Aldo Costa je svakako pojačanje, u Ferrariju je ispao žrtveno janje ali on je itekako sposoban u suradnji sa Brownom napraviti odličan bolid.

Prošle sezone Mercedes je morao smanjivati broj zaposlenika, ove sezone radio se svojevrsno filtriranje postojećeg kadra da bi se sada pred kraj dovodila pojačanja i kompletirao kadar za iduću sezonu.

Ove sezone konstantno su 4. najbolja ekipa na gridu, lagana korekcija pravila za iduću sezonu trebala bi im ići na ruku. Dovođenjem nekolicine novih ljudi također bi trebali dobiti dodatnu snagu pri dizajnu bolida za sljedeću sezonu tako da vjerujem da se mogu priključiti u borbu za postolja sigurno. A za pobjede se ne usudim prognozirat, jer kao što je kolega rekao, na današnji dan zaostatak za vodećima je poprilično velik, ali svaka nova sezona nosi neka iznenađenja. Mercedes bi to mogao biti. Potencijala svakako imaju.

No i do kraja ove sezone ima nekoliko utrka.
Napredak forme pokazuju, konfiguracije staza bi im trebale solidno odgovarat, Vettel bu u Japanu osvojil naslov prvaka, možda koju mrvicu da i ostalima, Hamilton se očito priprema za karijeru u destruction derby-ju tak da možda se uspije ušićarit neko postolje do kraja.
Schumi je zadnje 3 utrke (da nije sudara) trebao biti na 5. poziciji, znači tu su, na korak do postolja.


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New Mercedes recruit Aldo Costa says the opportunity of renewing his relationship with Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher to challenge their old team Ferrari was more than enough to tempt him back into Formula 1.

Former Ferrari technical director Costa lost his position with the Italian team earlier this season after the disappointing start to its campaign. Mercedes announced on Friday that it had recruited Costa, who had worked with team boss Brawn at Ferrari during the Schumacher era, as its new engineering director.

His appointment came at the same time that ex-Williams, Honda and Red Bull man Geoff Willis was announced as Mercedes' new technology director, and follows the signing of former Renault man Bob Bell as Mercedes GP's technical director.

"I'm enthusiastic. Mercedes is pushing to be successful and that philosophy matches my ambitions and my character," Costa told Gazzetta dello Sport.

"Once it was over with Ferrari in early July, I spoke with Brawn and Bob Bell. Just a few words with Ross were enough to find ourselves on the same wavelength as ever.

"Once out of Ferrari for many weeks I didn't want to think of anything, I just took care of my personal stuff.

"Yes, I considered the possibility of doing something outside racing. But then the possibility of returning with a big team like Mercedes drew me back in.

"I will be engineering director, leading the team that will take care of designing and developing the car. I will also follow young technicians. It's an exclusively designing job, I won't go to the track, a bit like I used to do in Ferrari before becoming technical director."

Costa added that he was thrilled to be working with Schumacher again.

"I haven't heard from Schumacher yet, but I will do soon," he said. "No one is as good as him in interpreting a car and its development. He will be fundamental, and I strongly believe in him as a driver too."

The Italian said that though there had been criticisms of his efforts from Ferrari after his departure, he still had fond memories of his time there.

"I don't agree with the accusations made against me," said Costa.

"However I have great memories of Ferrari and all its men, after winning eight constructors' championships and six drivers'.

"Schumacher's first title after a long draught was exhilarating as was [Kimi] Raikkonen's. The biggest regret is the title lost by [Felipe] Massa in 2008 after the finish line at Interlagos. He would have deserved it."

Costa said he would still think of Ferrari as "friends" even as he pushed to ensure Mercedes was ahead on the track.

"These things happen in sport and in life," he said of his departure from Ferrari. "Afterwards enthusiasm returns.

"The idea of challenging Ferrari with a group of former Ferrari men excites me, even though on the other side there will be friends instead of enemies."
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Mercedes GP duo Nico Rosberg and Michael Schumacher believe the signing of Aldo Costa and Geoff Willis is proof that the team is prepared to do whatever it takes to get to the top of Formula 1.

Costa and Willis will strengthen Mercedes GP's technical line-up later this year, as the Brackley-based outfit moves to improve the areas where it believes it is weak compared to frontrunners like Red Bull Racing and McLaren.

And the move has been backed by both drivers - who think it is not only great news that the pair are joining, but also that it is a statement of intent about Mercedes GP's ambitions.

When asked by AUTOSPORT about his reaction to the new appointments, Schumacher said: "Naturally I am happy for all the new guys who have arrived and will arrive.

"We know if we want to beat and fight the guys up front we need to strengthen ourselves and become stronger as a group. We need more potential and more capacity, and that is what is happening with Geoff and Aldo.

"Aldo I know very well from my days [at Ferrari]. With Geoff, it is going to be the first time I work with him, but he has been in the team before and he knows the structure in general. So I guess, the implementation of those guys should go rather quick. Ross [Brawn] knows Aldo rather well, he knows how to put him in a position to get the best out of those guys."

Rosberg added: "It is a hell of an announcement. The message is very clear; Mercedes is going to do whatever it takes to win the championship. It is very obvious. And they are two top guys. Aldo has worked with Ross, and Ross is very, very complimentary about him - he must be because Ross has employed him. And Geoff has been with the team before and they are all very, very happy that he is coming back."

On the back of a season that has fallen slightly short of his expectations, Rosberg said that one of the positives that can be taken out of the year – which is proven by the Costa/Willis signings – is that Mercedes GP has realised it needs to change its approach if it is going to triumph.

"The team has understood that the way it was we couldn't win the championship, so everything is now being done to make this team the best team out there," he said. "It is positive. A bit late, but there you go."
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Mercedes GP team boss Ross Brawn says that recent technical signings Aldo Costa and Geoff Willis can have an immediate positive effect on the squad's performances when they join, even though it will take time for the full impact of their presence to take effect.

Former Williams, BAR/Honda and Red Bull man Willis joins Mercedes as technology director next week, with ex-Ferrari technical chief Costa becoming Mercedes' engineering director from the start of December. They will work under technical director Bob Bell, formerly of Renault, who joined Mercedes earlier this year.

Although Willis and Costa's arrival will be too late for them to have a great influence on Mercedes' 2012 car, Brawn is optimistic about the boost their presence can give.

"It will take a while, but so much stuff goes on when you sit down and debate issues with the car, with someone with that calibre and experience, they can have an effect straight away," said Brawn.

"In terms of philosophy of the car it will take a while before their influences feed in, but in many ways they will have the effect that they want."

Although Mercedes has yet to win a race in its current guise and has rarely been a threat to Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari this year, Brawn is pleased that it has managed to stabilise the distance to the teams ahead.

"We are behind where we want to be, but we have managed to close that gap," he said. "We do a reasonable amount of analysis to understand where we are. We got worse about a third of the way through the season and then got back.

"The fact that we have managed to keep the gap down while we know Red Bull and McLaren were in the middle of the development way, that is a tribute to the developments we have made.

"You see some of the teams who have not made many developments have fallen behind us, and that is the vicious thing about F1 - that standing still is falling backwards. We have to introduce a step change in our performance to be fully competitive."

Asked whether that step was possible in 2012, Brawn replied: "Some of it, yes. Whether we can achieve all of it, that is a big step to make. But some of it we will do next year."

He also denied that there was any potential for over-complication by bringing in several big names accustomed to high degrees of technical responsibility at their previous teams.

"I can understand the comments about too many cooks," Brawn acknowledged.

"I think the important thing is to have a clear structure in terms of who does what. We have taken time with both Aldo and Geoff to discuss and define the structure, to make sure that lines of reponsibility and lines of authority are very clearly stated.

"I think any team that doesn't allow its people to have an opinion, state an opinion and contribute towards the overall plan is failing, so we are not going to have a situation where Aldo is not allowed to comment on the aerodynamics or Geoff is not allowed to comment on the chassis. It will not be like that, but clearly their day-to-day responsibilities are well defined."

He added: "Also contractually the opportunity to get people like Aldo and Geoff doesn't come along very often, and the stars lined up in terms of where our ambitions are and Aldo and Geoff became available.

"Aldo I know extremely well as we won world championships [together at Ferrari] and Geoff, I think, and although he doesn't say it himself, was pretty instrumental in setting the direction of Red Bull, and changing Red Bull's future."

Brawn underlined that the pursuit of figures like Costa and Willis did not signify a lack of faith in Mercedes' existing personnel.

"There are three teams that are better than us - Ferrari, McLaren and Red Bull are incredibly strong teams, and ones that have been well structured for many years so we must not throw away what we have already got because it is very, very good," he said. "This just adds a level of strength, and we need to manage the situation."

He also insisted that there was no danger of Mercedes straying beyond the boundaries of the Resource Restriction Agreement in its technical restructuring.

"At the end of day, Aldo and Geoff are two headcounts," said Brawn. "So I am sure once they settle in they will have their thoughts on ways to make the organisation stronger, but we will respect the RRA.

"We do have space under the RRA, as we look to increase our capacity."
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"I'm enthusiastic. Mercedes is pushing to be successful and that philosophy matches my ambitions and my character," Costa told Gazzetta dello Sport.
hahahahahh :biggrin: . Smo vidili kakav entuzijast je bio
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Pusti, promjena radne sredine često zna biti inspirativno nadahnuta.. ;)
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danas su promjenili gume za 2.9 sekundi
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Mercedes je navodno testiral pasivni f-duct na prvom krilu za 2012.

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A uz to so u Koreji imali na stražnjem kraju i hidravlički upravljivanje antiroll-a i tvrdoće stražnjeg ovjesa.
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hm neznam dal im je baš pametno ovo otkrivat a ova sezona jos nije gotova ..
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Stvarno interesantno rjesenje. A ako je potpuno pasivan, nema problema sa pravilima. Ovo bi stvorilo veci pritisak na prednje krilo, sa samim time i savijanje prednjeg krila. Mislim da su na to ciljali. Ovo bi bilo narocito dobro pri velikim brzinama.
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Ovo novo krilo je zanimljivo (što smatraju da prave)
a komentar Whitmarsha je najbolji,
znači da je ipak istina da prave takvo krilo
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Želimo Schumachera dugoročno

lijepe vijesti, nadam se da će se pokazati istinitima jer bi se bilo teško opet rastat s Gazdom slijedeće godine :)
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Ma neka gura do 50-te :) bar nam nece bit dosadno ;)
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Pa u kakvoj je formi mogo bi komotno do 50. vozit :D
A i noć prije utrke provodi po teretanama, pazi se na formu :D
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Mercedes u Indiji u TOP 6 ?!
KLIK-njemacki LINK !!!
Nadaju se da bi mogli biti jako dobri (brzi) u Indiji, jer je za sve momcadi staza nepoznanica.
Vozaci jedva cekaju, pogotovo MS, jer kako kaze : " Volim nove staze, koje su pravi izazov "
-Naravno, uz novu stazu, zeli nauciti malo i o kulturi Indije i tako to.... :D ( tipicno za MS-a) :D

Haug se takodjer raduje ovoj utrci, jer sve momcadi krecu od nule, i tu vidi sansu Mercedesa.
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Svi kreču od 0 osim Red Bulla :D
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Igor18 je napisao/la:Svi kreču od 0 osim Red Bulla :D
Nebi reko da Red Bull ima veliku prednost, jer sigurno svi vježbaju stazu na simulatorima, a to nije mala stvar
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Ali sigurno imaju startnu prednost.
Simulator i vožnja na licu mjesta nije ista stvar.
Siguran sam da su dobili određene informacije od ljudi koji su bili na onoj promo vožnji
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Kažem da nemaju veliku prednost, sigurno imaju malu prednost, a vjerujem da će do kvalifikacija svi bit na istom
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neke vibracije opet ima kod straznjih kotača
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šteta da od Koreje još to nisu riješili, al ralika između 10. i 12. mjesta 0.018 :O
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ma za prve 3 ekipe su preslabi a za ostatak pre jaki tak da za oba vozača jedina zanimacija je međusobno utrkivanje
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